health care?

March 4, 2010 by admin · 8 Comments
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health care
bob67cam asked:

in america where we should have freedoms to choose our own path would u prefer free low quality health care knowing that u will be taxed to death paying for everyone elses …OR would u prefer better heath care that u pay thru the ass only when u need to use it and what brought u to either conclusion?

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8 Responses to “health care?”
  1. laguna8 says:
    March 6, 2010 at 4:59 pm

    If we all paid into a central health care policy it would cut out the profit margins of the insurance and pharmaceutical corporations. That would make our dollars stretch a lot farther so that we could maintain high quality of care and put money into further research. As for paying for everyone else, maybe there should be some rules in place that limit the care you can receive if you don’t pay taxes. The basic idea is to spread out the burden of health care costs rather than place it all on those who actually develop a serious health issue. It’s helping out your neighbor in their time of need, and in turn accepting their help when it’s your time of need.

    I don’t really understand how our current health care is “better”. It’s in an insurance company’s best interests to deny you care for whatever reason they can come up with, and also to charge you as much extra money as possible with co-pays and hikes in your premium according to your health. What I’d say is that people should be able to purchase additional coverage if they so choose. There should be medical practices that offer different kinds of health care so that if people aren’t satisfied with what the government has to offer then they can go get faster or more advanced care elsewhere. Sort of like the US postal service and its competing companies. Then insurance companies would truly be competing to provide better care for their customers. laguna8

  2. Dr. Atari says:
    March 7, 2010 at 6:52 am

    Health care systems of various socialist countries, aren’t constantly being sued by bottom-feeding trial lawyers stealing one-third of the income of people performing useful work, like saving lives.

    Democratic Party treats doctors like they’re Klan members. They wail about how much doctors are paid and celebrate the trial lawyers who do absolutely nothing to make society better, but swoop in and steal from the most valuable members of society.
    We need, no we must protect Doctors from Lawyers.
    Doctors now pay hundreds of thousands of dollars in medical malpractice insurance every year.
    People like John Edwards, made $30 million bringing nonsense lawsuits based on junk science against doctors. Dr. Atari

  3. jeeper_peeper321 says:
    March 7, 2010 at 8:24 pm

    Just do a simple experiment.

    The next time, someone says we need universal health care.

    Ask them what it would cost and how it would be funded.

    Then watch them go silent.

    I have yet to find a single universal health care proponent, who can tell me what it would cost.

    Or how it would be funded.

    Now you would think, that someone who wanted a policy, might be able to tell you such basic information. jeeper_peeper321

  4. badmotherrucker says:
    March 10, 2010 at 9:36 am

    Anyone who believe that universal health care is a good idea should read the papers of the countries that have it, and while they’re doing that, check out how much they’re paying for gas. Whenever I talk to someone from England, they’re always bragging about their socialized medical system, and how much better it is then ours. What they don’t always know is that I actually lived there, and I read their papers. In truth, they never stop complaining about it. They complain about sub-standard care, waiting times, clerical eras made by an over-worked, underpaid, staff of what amounts the government employees.

    Last month I read a Canadian op-ed article complaining that in spite of the fact that the Canadian dollar over taking the American dollar, they still pay more. (the evidence is on the magazines, the American price is half of the Canadian price). They boast about their health care system while complaining that they have to pay for it. Combine that with the fact that their truly sick sneak over our boarder to get treated here,(no wait time) and you can come to the conclusion that our system might not be perfect, but I would never trade it for any other existing health care system, or planned system.

    P.S. If you want to see how free medical would work here, just look at our free legal system. Does it work, or is it just there to make us feel as if its working? Most people who needed the system will say it doesn’t work at all. Do you want your free doctors to be as effective as our free lawyers? badmotherrucker

  5. Voice of Liberty says:
    March 11, 2010 at 5:04 pm

    You are forgetting that NOTHING is free. Doctors will still need paid, medical facilities still need funds, and the program itself will cost billions to start, employ its administrators and to continue running. All of this will be funded by tax dollars.

    Also look at the mess social security is in. What about wlefare? What makes anyone think that through the hundreds of programs the government struggles to manage, that a system of “National healthcare” will work like it is intended to. Remember, when politics start to gum things up (ie. lack of funding, government shutdowns, etc.) the result will be more serious than someone not getting food stamps for a week- we are now dealing with people’s health and lives.

    I personally believe that this is an unfair practice.

    #1 The government, through this agency will essentially control your healthcare. This means that you will have to apply to the government for the healthcare that you need. Then if you need a procedure or treatment, you will have to get that approved as well. What other countries that have socialized healthcare have experienced is that the all-knowing, all-seeing government takes this one step further and actually places you in a wait status for the procedure based on the severity of your condition compared to other peoples’. So, lets say you are diagnosed with cancer, but the doctor does not feel that treatment for it is needed yet. Buddy the second I find out I have cancer, I’m doing eveything I can to get cured. Under National Healthcare however, you do not have that right. You have to wait in line as funding is allocate first to people with more severe cases than you. People say that then you can opt to pick up private health insurance, but in reality NO insurance company will provide coverage to ANYONE who has cancer as a pre-existing condition, so then you are at the mercy of politicians and the system.

    #2 Under National Healthcare, you do not have the right to refuse treatment either. If you are prescribed a medication that is cheap, but make you go bald for example, and a similar, more expensive drug exists that does not make you go bald, the system is likely to provide you with only the cheapest medication. If you refuse it, then you are dropped from the National Healthcare plan because you would be considered a risk. Then, just like above, you are stuck with NOTHING as no insurance company will then pick you up with that pre-existing condition unless you are willing to pay HUGE premiums. When I bring this up, people suggest, “just get the medication anyway and take it home and pour it down the drain and then see a private doctor just to get the perscription.” Ok, so now our tax money is going to pay for medicine that people are just going to literally flush down the toilet? And then they will pay to have a private doctor write a prescription? Doesn’t this defeat the purpose?

    #3 Why should I, if I am willing to pay for insurance to avoid all that I have described above, have to have my taxes raised for others to have free, government-controlled healthcare that I will not benefit from??? Do you even realize how much your taxes will rise to be able to implement this??? Voice of Liberty

  6. peepers98 says:
    March 13, 2010 at 9:53 am

    If there were safeguards in our present system to deny the insurance companies the ability to cancel your coverage AT WILL, I would be more sympathetic to it. Unfortunately, insurance providers have the luxury to eliminate your policy. Thanks to your special interest owned congress. If your claim is increasingly expensive to the insurance company they just cancel your policy or refuse to pay for certain procedures. I keep hearing this cry that you are paying for others with national health care. The day of company paid health care is coming to a close. In the near future everybody will pay for their own. If I can go thru life without ever needing long term health care the money I spent in the anticipation of needing it will be for naught. Whether it is in the form of taxes or premiums to insurance companies. Private insurance can be withdrawn at any time, national health care can’t. I’ll pay the taxes & be guaranteed the coverage if & when I need it. I have very little faith in the prospect that corporate America has my interest at heart. I had very personal experiences with medicare. Both of my parents needed & used medicare. They received excellent care until their demise. My father endured a terrible 10 months leading to his death. Five stays in the hospital in one year. Thru it all, Medicare paid the bulk of his expenses. It wasn’t free, my parents both paid medicare taxes since it was enacted & it was there when they needed it. However, my mothers supplemental private insurance was canceled after 4 months of submitting claims.The quality of care with medicare was excellent! I am in favor of national health care. peepers98

  7. honeybeejim says:
    March 13, 2010 at 2:51 pm

    I would prefer loser pays for trail lawyers and no corporation hospitals honeybeejim

  8. darwinman says:
    March 16, 2010 at 12:35 pm

    i abhor any form of socialism as history has proven beyond a shadow of doubt that it does not work. therefore, universal health care would be a disaster and should not be taken seriously. however, there is a need for major reform of our health care practices and the best place to start is tort reform, malpractice insurance, hmo’s and ppo’s and the pharmaceutical industries. darwinman

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